Caste Based Reservations-Needed or Not
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Mayuri Majumdar , Kolkata: Jun 20 2008
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Reservation in Indian law is a form of affirmative action whereby a percentage of seats are reserved in the public sector units, union and state civil services, union and state government departments and in all public and private educational institutions, except in the religious/ linguistic minority educational institutions, for the socially and educationally backward classes of citizens or the Scheduled Castes and Tribes who were inadequately represented in these services and institutions. The reservation policy is extended for the SC and STs in representing the Parliament of India & state legislative assemblies.

Caste is the predominant factor used for reservation in India, though reservation is also offered based on other parameters like religion, state of domicile, etc. The central government of India reserves 27% of government jobs and proposes to do similarly in higher education, but certain Indian states like Tamil Nadu, which currently reserves 69% seats, have followed caste-based reservations since 1921.

My question to all is that is it really necessary? I mean how do we define the caste system in India? Aren’t we more so economically segregated citizens? Mr. B.R. Ambedkar had introduced this system for a period of 10 years and not 60 years. Aren’t our leaders at fault and isn’t this system a way of covering up their failure? The fact of the matter is, as long as there are caste-based reservations, the caste system is bound to exist! How can it be otherwise? Today, the caste consciousness and animosity is more acute than everbefore! Needless to say, this is a direct fallout of the caste-based reservation system. In fact, the reserved categories themselves have a great deal of vested interest in keeping the caste system vibrant and alive, because reservations are only given on the basis of caste and NOT on economic factors.

When someone with less percentage, less marks gets the seat, or the job, how can anyone say it is due to the merit of the individual? These two simply do not co-exist. No one ever says that there are no talented people among the reserved categories! Far from it.The talented people, no matter what caste they belong to, will certainly reap a rich harvest which they fully deserve.They never need reservation at all!

More so, why isn’t there a quota for medical, transport and other facilities. The government can’t benefit from these restrictions and hence education seems to be the easiest way out. Ever thought, why brain drain is on a high rise? Think about this- will a student from SC/ST/OBC background ever mention that once he gets a MBBS degree? I doubt it. Of course, it is going to tarnish his image(as in showing that he wasn’t meritorious enough). There are various petitions against caste based reservations like this one here, but who is listening? What do u think? Is caste based reservation the need of this country in this era-Yes or No?

P.S: This is what Mr. Azim Premji had to say about reservations:

I think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let’s start the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for Muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST like that.

Cricket rules should be modified accordingly.

The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by an OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century.

We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player.

Bowlers should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player.

Any delivery above this speed should be made illegal.

Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an OBC player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters.

There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let’s recruit SC/ST and OBC pilots for aircrafts which are carrying the ministers and politicians (that can really help the country...)

Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the ministers and other politicians. (Another way of saving the country...)

Let’s be creative and think of ways and means to guide INDIA forward...
Lets show the world that INDIA is a GREAT country.
Let’s be proud of being an INDIAN...

May the good breed of politicians like ARJUN SINGH long live...

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Manu in Manusmiriti said: Dhole, Gabaar, Sudraa, Pasu (animal) and Nari (women) sab taran (thrashing) ke adhikari”

And You said: ”As long as there are caste-based reservations, the caste system is bound to exist”

The discrimination against the sudras (SC,ST) are like the discrimination against the women, as they are still subjected to humiliation and discrimination.

Even today, the Woman bill is lying on the table for approval, but there still is no heed from the Man dominated lobby. What a pity?

You said: ”Will a student from SC/ST/OBC background ever mention that once he gets a MBBS degree?”

What does it mean? Have You ever been among categorized (SC/ST/OBC), if not please go among them. There are enumber of SC/ST/OBC who claim to be belonging to so and so cast.

And last but not the least, unless there is caste-system stuck mentally in the so-called upper-caste people who even now rule our country, the need for reservation will always be felt. Or else, the (SC/ST/OBC) and Women will have to face the stigma of discrimination always.
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
”stree, sudra, dhor.....” those lines r frm Tulsidas and not Manu Smriti....if caste is indeed so inhuman no-one had forced these ’sudras’ remain adhered to Hinduism....options to Hinduism existed in India since 2000 yrs...fact is, ALL HINDUS have benefitted themselves frm their ’caste’ some way or other
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Mayuri Majumdar
Kolkata, India
What I meant by that particular line was that some people utilize the caste system more than often. I mean are doctors and other professionals classified as general and SC/ST/OBCs? If not why should education system face the wrath. I know this topic is like starting a never ending debate but I really can’t put myself to believe a system where economic condition plays little role but a caste decides the fate of many.
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Ravana ( Ramayan) was discriminated just because he belonged to the ”Raksha Jati” Karan ( Mahabarata) was discriminated just because, he was called sudra.

Obama is discriminated by the whites just because he belonges to the negros, Hillary was not voted just because she was a woman though however talented or scholastic or good she is or has been to the Black or White Americans.

In fact, the discrimination is stuffed in our veins, there is no let-up ever, whatever be century and (Yug).

And the need for reservation will always be felt, or else, the vultures (Who say something, but mean other things) won’t let the underprivileged and SC/ST/OBCs survive.

Since the very out set of this universe , there has always been discrimination, and for that solution, the poor, slave, and SC/ST/OBCs have always felt the need of reservation.

Stopping reservation for the underprivileged and SC/ST/OBCs meant nothing but chaos and bring us on the very same threshold.

And last but not the least, the educated people are more prone to discriminating among the SC/ST/OBCs and the underprivileged.

An empty-stomach Pundit, instead of saying Ram, Ram, prefer to go for his bread and butter.
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
...and what abt Maharshi Valmiki, a fisherman tribal, composing Ramayan????? what abt Chandra Gupta, a non kshtriya who became emperor of largest kingdom in ancient India??
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Mayuri Majumdar
Kolkata, India
Ravana was sure discriminated but he was surely worshipped. And, he never cried for his discrimination but came out with an effort to battle it.

Obama might be discriminated but is he on the verge of losing? I doubt. He is actually creating history by the amount of support he is receiving. And yes, he is a black!

Hillary Clinton wasn’t overthrown. She stepped down herself. She wasn’t forced to do so.

And, I have stated it at the very outset that this is about caste based reservations. Women Reservation is a different issue altogether and I shall surely throw my opinion on it in another article.

Regards.
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Reservation was never meant for providing SC/ST/OBCs with any kind of privilege, but to secure them and their women from the vultures eyes of the dark-horses who still exit among us, and even have been following the age-old system, but now siting behind the curtain.
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
sc/st want to ’stand’ against hi-caste...open category ppl wrk hard to attain their goals...if all come into ’general category’ india will definately have a brighter future....hard work has no substitute...if not higher castes, but india will definately suffer and is suffering for this dumb-a** policy :D
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Mayuri Majumdar
Kolkata, India
Ok tell me-how far is it being utilised? Are the economically backward classes enjoying it? None. A poor brahman cannot avail it much because he is not SC/ST/OBC. But he cannot complain either, coz his forefathers were bad. Ahh, this is the catharsis everyone will face.
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When Ravana learnt that he is being discriminated, and being deprived of the rights he yearned for, he cried and fought for, and came out with sword to battle against the so-called Social reformer or so-called God.

Though the same is not being done by the SC/ST/OBCs, they are still mum. When the situation of eliminating the reservation would come, there will be chaos and havoc in the whole country, as was done at the time of Mandal commission.

If Obamaa wins the battle, there will always be discrimination among the whites. He is being supported not because he is black, but because,(half the world says) he is misbreed, black and white, so, he is liked and disliked equally by the both races.

And in fact, Hillary did not step down herself, in actual she was not able to fight, that is why she had to make a so-called comeback. Otherwise, why she joined the race. In fact, she had to surrender at last, when she knew of getting nothing but failure.

Last but not the least, i would desperately await your Women Reservation Bill.
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
Ramayan is composition of a Dalit which has no historical evidence and hence cannot be taken as a reference!....Again why r u sticking to Hindu beliefs, sir???
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Mayuri Majumdar
Kolkata, India
Tell me something-are you a caste system supporter? Do you at all think that there should be even castes in India? I have problem with the concept of this whole thing. Why should there be any column for caste in admission forms? And if at all there is a caste based reservation, why only in education system? Are the SC/ST/OBCs happy with other stuffs? Actually I feel belittled when i refer them to as a separate caste. I detest it strongly and will always do so.

And, I would shortly express my views on the Women reservation bill. :)

Regards
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Suvm
Bangalore, India
A great deal is made about the ’caste column’ in admission forms. This is the way government gets statistics about what is the state of the socitey. For example what percentage of kids in schools are from what sections of society. I have till now not heard of being discriminated by giving your caste on a form.

Haven’t we got more subtler ways to identify the caste in our culture? For example, the various kinds of naamas on the forehead, or simply the way of dressing etc.

In urban culture it is not so visible, but go to a rural place and you can easily by the look identify castes of people. Even the strature and the way they carry themselves is enough. And of course separate living areas for different castes. This is what we need to attack and not the admission forms.

The forms give vital statistics which that forms the basis for making policies.
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Unless, there is gender or caste-based discrimination, there must be reservation whether be it for women or SC/ST/OBCs .
Otherwise, the vultures, who discriminate the same mentality, won’t let Women or SC/ST/OBCs, survive and live.

And last but not the least, the leprosy of discrimination can never be cured. It was, it is, and it will be forever, whatever amendments made to the constitution.

We are in fact like a crippled cobbler of Plato (The pot of God) who was adamant enough to accept newness in life.
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
then do not complain about existing discrimination...it’s been approved by ’Constitution of India’ drafted by ’Bharat-ratna’ Dr. Ambedkar under the sweet name of ’reservation’
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Mayuri Majumdar
Kolkata, India
So, you think discrimination is harboring newness? Are you really sure? I mean this can be your view point certainly but not others am sure. We here are not against reservation but it should have some method in it. An obsolete form cannot be carried on to bring prosperity. That would be like clinging to the past and yet thinking of the future. One needs to break the shackles first and then head to the future. Reservation over caste is one shackle that needs to be broken.
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Mayuri Majumdar
Kolkata, India
So, you think discrimination is harboring newness? Are you really sure? I mean this can be your view point certainly but not others am sure. We here are not against reservation but it should have some method in it. An obsolete form cannot be carried on to bring prosperity. That would be like clinging to the past and yet thinking of the future. One needs to break the shackles first and then head to the future. Reservation over caste is one shackle that needs to be broken.
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It was by virtue of Education Reservation, solely that the underprivileged and SC/ ST/ OBCs were managed to learn about their rights,and could ask themselves :Why these so-called social reformer belittle us and abuse us by the by, while We are also like all other human beings on this Earth. Why are we not being availed all those natural rights that have been provided to us by the God above.

Now, the reservation looks like a lollipop to some people who also feel to taste it, even now by belittling and forgetting thier age-old cruelty.

The people who earlier snatched the lands by dint of their Muscle power or manipulation, are now feeling the need of reservation.

It stinks nothing but jealousy.

As long as Mayawati was not elected the CM of UP, people used to abuse her, would not talk about BSP, and even the Media turned its blind eye to her. But now she, for some, is apple of discord, while for some she is an apple of Eye.

Mind it here, all those people belong to the upper caste.
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Parul G
Delhi, India
of course. it is no needed. As it has failed to rasie the standard of the so-called deprived people, despite being having the advanatge of reservation. It is the education which can really improve their situation and not cat based reservation.
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Equal and ample educational and job opportunities are the need of the hour for our hugely populated country. Rest discrimination and reservation cards are used only for political gains. Even historically such cards were used for retaining control and power over weaker sections of society including women. No point giving crutches to the weak, make them strong by giving equal opportunities.
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Definitely not needed..If a person is not deserving enough to get there, he should not. Also, donnation system should be done away with...all admissions should be strictly on the basis of merit..
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Vinod
Shimla, India
Reservation for me is saying no to caliber. Well how long will it continue or how long India can afford it, I know not. Perhaps it won’t end because the so called leaders of the nation, most probably, won’t stop exploiting cast and religion for the political gains.

By saying so, I am not against uplifting the poor. However, reservation has widened the chasm than bridging it. There are so many other ways that Govt. can come up, as long as bringing poor to the mainstream is concerned.

I am against reservation and that too cast based, I totally discard it in any form. If it should exist at all, then poverty should be the consideration, not the cast.
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The reason behind introducing caste based reservation is that a large number of people from reserved castes are economically,educationally and socially backward.
I’m surprised to see educated youth from metropolitan cities reacting so strongly to the idea of helping out their down-trodden countrymen.Maybe this reaction feigns from ignorance of the overall status of our society, which includes cities,towns,villages and remote tribal areas.One probable reason behind this ignorance is these youth are so immersed in the hectic city life that they can’t imagine the fact that there are villages where there is no electricity,there are places where people can’t draw water from a well because they are from some backward caste, i have even seen a youth from a backward caste getting slapped for dressing up properly.
So in a country where some human-beings are suppressed by other human-beings just for belonging to some caste,then quota for these oppressed and down-trodden human-beings is truly justified.This step is to introduce balance in the society,which is very important.
And one last thing about vote-bank politics backward castes have their own political parties and rarely vote for other parties.
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
you said:”I’m surprised to see educated youth from metropolitan cities reacting so strongly to the idea of helping out their down-trodden countrymen.”

Burns of reservation are felt more in urban india than rural india as general category people r made to FLEE in cities from this so-called ’bahujans’.....in my state in rural areas there r hoardings put on display ”Brahman Bhayamukta gaon”, which means ”brahmins needn’t fear here”!!
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you said”Burns of reservation are felt more in urban india than rural india”
Very true as i live in urban India i know about.But what you forgot to mention or chose to ignore is ”the burns of caste-based discrimination are felt more in rural India than urban India”.

As far as your general category people,bahujan thing.........i didn’t get it.Could you please clarify it?
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
you said ”the burns of caste-based discrimination are felt more in rural India than urban India”.

add to it even so called hi-castes..
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Mayuri Majumdar
Kolkata, India
@Wasif Azmi
Hello sir. I am obliged to enlighten you that we, the metropolitanites are not at all ignorant about the woes of our countrymen. I am a social worker myself and have seen poverty, the real face of it. In a village, only SC/ST/OBC do not reside, there are other castes as well. And, we all here are sticking to our valuable point, that is, reservation might be needed but not on the basis of caste. Isn’t it quite some time that we thought about it? It is just an issue of cover up used by the government. Again, reservation is for the down trodden. I see many well to do SC/ST/OBC families. My friends from these castes enjoy reservation(even though they are very well to do). If at all the reservation is put, why not add the economic background to it? I think a country which faces the wrath of some minister who has pulled out his vendetta on not becoming the prime minister is not going to have a bright future.
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
No reservation should ever exist! If someone is downtrodden take efforts to uplift them!
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@ Siddhesh

you said”No reservation should ever exist! If someone is downtrodden take efforts to uplift them!”

That is exactly what reservation is trying to do.
My suggestion is google the word ”hypocrite”
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
”That is exactly what reservation is trying to do.”

at the expense of our country by putting 45 kg SC soldier on frontier?????
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
anyways buddy i’ve said earlier people who suffer caste bias the most are always free to convert; Hinduism has options since past 2000 yrs!
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I don’t suffer from a caste-bias.
A soldier is a soldier whether he/she is a 45kg SC or 100kg elite.They are the reason why we can blog sitting comfortably at our homes/offices.
Anyways bias creeps through your writings.Take my suggestion google the word ”hypocrite”.
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Mayuri Majumdar
Kolkata, India
And, I have been to a village where there were only three tubewells. One wasn’t working and the police thought it well to break the other one during the Panchayat elections. And, development is the issue which should be attacked, not education. These two cannot and should not be confused to be one. If a village is poor, that is because schemes like NREGA, Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan have not reached it. It is the fault of our government and not some discrimination.